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    July 19, 2011
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talk about sucking more money out of the country. we start with the story of the day. tabloid gossip that may millions for murdoch threatens to topple his very own $3 billion empire built on it. murdoch tried to pass the buck at the house of commons inquiry. every seen these guys? insisting he is not to blame for hacking phones. this is rupert, belonging to politicians, phones belonging to the royal family, hacking phones belonging to a murdered 13-year-old girl. hacking phones belonging to 9/11 families, and dead soldiers in the wars. serious allegations. the 80-year-old also appeared confused or some argue, just playing stupid when it came to the company paying millions of its own dollars to settle hacking lawsuits and not investigate past criminal allegations against them.
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>> do you accept that ultimately you are responsible for this whole fiasco. >> no. >> you're not responsible? who is responsible? >> the people that i trusted to run it and then maybe the people that they trusted. this is not an excuse. maybe it's an explanation of my laxity. "the news of the world" did less than 1% of our company. i employ 53,000 people around the world. it was up to the police. >> you heard mr. murdoch before the parliament but the biggest fireworks my friends erupt wld a protester attempted to hit murdoch in the face with a shaving cream pie. the protester missed, but murdoch's wife was quick and aggressive to smack the attacker in the head. the worthwhile video on youtube if you haven't seen it already. the justice department have begun their own investigations
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which leads us to ask -- could what's happening in the uk happen on our side of the pond? a corrupt media, infiltrating the government and manipulating the government? murdoch own the "washington post," emergenbut is it the gov has pulls the media's strings to avoid the government being called to task for what it's doing? big news today. martin bashir, the mega panel here in new york, msnbc political analyst karen finney, republican strategist susan del percio and martin. doing a tremendous job in articulating the media, specifically news corp. and power in great britain. is a corrupt government by definition something that can only get worse in the face of a corrupt media and are we now
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seeing that be revealed? >> interesting to hear rupert murdoch to describe him visy itting downing street the back door both with the previous prime minister gordon brown, the one prior to him, tony blair and the current prime minister david cameron. and on each occasion the members of parliament said, why didn't you come through the front door? and he said, because this is what the inhabitant of number 10 asked me to do. so there was clearly a very close relationship between him and each prime minister. you have to remember that this man's newspapers claimed to be able to swing elections. in 1987 after the general election, the following day, the "sun" newspaper had a front page headline which stead was the "sun "that he won it. not an exaggeration according to the view of a lot of people. he wielded enormous power. also remarkable over the last two weeks is to see all of these
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politicians who spent so much time kissing his ring as it were, fawning over him, never being critical when he continued to eat up more and more ever the media empire, media aspects of this country, suddenly they want nothing to do with him. they treat him now as though he's got contagious lep ris leprosy. >> i was reminding of the truth in the digiting thing. did it with the context of anthony weiner and wikileaks, from the frivolous to the most severe, this appears to be another example? >> those in british history remember, lord beav per brook, the most powerful man in england brought down king edward viii, the current queen's uncle. he did it because he he felt he wasn't ready to be king. he brought him down.
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he was a newspaper man. nothing more, nothing less. he brought down a sitting king of england. rupert murdoch is nothing more than a modern day lord beaverbrook. look what's happening to hill. my question what does this mean for america? the senator should probably have hearings. the house won't it would go straight to the heart of roger ailes, fox news and that's the case. >> whether the center of the house. republican bes in the house. >> democrats run the senate. >> from new york, he is interest fundamental there's evidence they did hack into 9/11 family members. he does want it -- >> he did send a letter, certain sport thats. chairman of new york, have a hearing. >> so many layers to this whole thing, karen. what we talk about obviously on this show is the dysfunction of relationships. the alliance is between business, between money and politics and how that distorts policy. watching this makes me feel like
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it's another example of the unholy alliance, in this case it's not business in government. it's media and government. and for that matter, has many layers to it. your thoughts as you watch. >> absolutely. putting aside my partisan feelings about fox. >> your personal thoughts this moment. >> i'll do the dance later. >> do you that later. >> but you know, at the heart of it, someone said to me, rupert murdoch and roger ailes at the end of the day are businessmen. figured out a formula to make money on fox. that's what they do. >> and for that matter, by the way, every other media empire. i wouldn't want to say they're the only ones running a cable network making money, but they are very good at t. or a media empire. what this really brings down back to us is this idea that you have journalists. why were they hacking into phones? to get the story. to get the headline. why? to sell paper, because, why? the bottom line, make the shareholders. our country was founded with a
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free press. step back as we look at this and think about, if our media and our press is driven by the bottom line, and a responsibility to shareholders what is happening to our responsibility to the truth? >> and to that end, martin, how corrupt is the relationship between the media and government right now? we know how corrupt the relationship between business and government is. >> well, interesting. before rupert murdoch and james murdoch gave evidence, in were hearings earlier in the day at the home affairs select committee where stevenson, the most senior police officer in the united kingdom who resigned over the weekend gave eford and john yates, second most senior, came in. a remarkable disclosure that the metropolitan police service has a press relations 45 membered staff, ten of whom almost a quarter, ten of whom have worked for "the news of the world" or
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news international. >> sounds unholy to me. >> what you have, and that was a statistic given by the police. >> yeah. >> so what you have is a relationship where journalists were paying individual police officers, journalists were exchanging positions with those individuals in the metropolitan police service. you have politicians who were entertaining rupert murdoch in order to win his patronage so his newspapers would be aggressively antagonistic towards his political pug knits and supportive of those he liked. that's how pouberful the alliance was. what you end up with is a cultural climate whereas was said, the truth becomes secondary, almost tertiary, because the bottom line is what the prejudice is what you're seeking to assert in your newspaper or broadcast. that's what this is about. >> taking those prejudices and turning them into money? >> indeed, but you recently, dylan were asked a question, i
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believe, about what you felt about your role on this network, and you asserted the fact you still believed in the principle of truth telling. you didn't like being accused of representing a liberal or a left position. that's absolutely right. that's what you do. that's why we do this job. the problem is, when you have relationships like those that have been disclosed here in the united kingdom, you have an entirely corrupted system, and public confidence now has been utterly destroyed, decimated. people don't trust police officers because they think they're selling information, routine arrests, to the media. they don't trust what's reported in the press, because they believe it's been bought by rupert murdoch, and what you end up is truth-telling being relegated to a position of insignifican insignificance, and that's a huge, as karen said, fundamental issue, which we need to think about very, very seriously, because, otherwise, you're end up in an uncivilized culture. you know that trust is
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absolutely critical to the interaction of any kind of civic society. in this country, it's been broken apart. >> martin, i'm going to leave it on those statements, because i really think what you just said fully captures why the rupert story warrants coverage and also gives deeper insight what all of us in general, in every country in our own can do to improve the quality of our relationship with our own institutions. keep the mega panel. we let martin go. straight ahead here we turn from their problems to our corrupt system here's at hope. washington playing with the debt ceiling. but the media plays along. no challenge for either party. where's the real plan that's not just about taxing the rich or screwing the poor? acknowledging why we have the deficit in the first play and tries to deal with it. why do we have no jobs this
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country, people? house minority whip steny hoyer in the moments to come. also, the debate we should be having about jobs. former verizon chief joan joins myself and the panel of the disconnect between out of work americans, corporationses with piles of money and a country way long list of problems. plus, trading our future. we kick off a two-part series about so-called free trade. i emphasize the so-called and why it's giving other countries free reign to suck money, even rights to our banking system out of our own country. germs in your mouth build up and form a layer called biofilm so strong it survives brushing. thankfully, there's listerine® antiseptic. its triple-action formula penetrates biofilm, kills germs and protects your mouth for hours. fight biofilm with listerine®.
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actions. . developing right now, debate on the house floor of a cut, cap and balance act as a constitutional amendment to force congress to pass balanced budget. it's a beautiful piece of legislation that has absolutely no chance, a beautiful one in the sense of it's a nice construct for debate, and, really, partisan division. no chance whatsoever are being passed. more pro wrestling from washington. i'm not worry about it. we don't have time to worry about it. they have time for the debates. what else is there to do? jobs, who needs it when you can have a fake debate with constituents. meanwhile we move closer to the august 2rd doomsday with no real plan to pay off america's credit card -- that was what jimmy said -- despite reported progress by the so-called gang of six and that may be encouraging. the president actually called those developments a significant step. >> we're in the same playing fields, and my hope is that we
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can start gathering everybody over the next couple of days to choose a clear direction and to get this issue resolved. >> that clean playing field seems to be something on the order of magnitude of 3 to 4 million -- i wish, 3 trillion to 4 trillion, undefined where that money comes from. the gang of six and its framework, whatever they come up with, will they get any support from the house of representatives? joining us, democratic whip steny hoyer. congressman hoyer, a pleasure to see you again. >> dylan good to be with you. >> any chance that anything, whether it's the gang of six plan or anything that's being bandied about has a chance of passing the house of representatives? >> i certainly hope something has a chance of passing the house of representatives. we're fiddling, frankly, while the debt and the default is about to burn us badly, and burn the american people badly. and we need get about doing our business. unfortunately, as you just observed, and as i just said, we're fiddling while rome is
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burning, in the sense that the piece of legislation on our floor now has zero chance of passage. it was introduced at the last minute last friday. it was printed just this weekend. nobody's probably fully understood what it does, and it can't pass and won't pass the senate. we're wasting time. we have 14 days until the secretary of the treasury tells us american will run out of its ability to pray its bills. that will have reverberations in this country for every single american in terms of interest rates, 401(k) value, housing values, ability to purchase cars and pay for college. it will have very serious negative effects. and what are we doing? a political exercise on the floor of the house of representatives. that's unfortunate. but your question is, can something pass? something must pass. >> let's talk about the -- >> no alternative. >> the new amendment the
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so-called gang of six. senator coburn is back in the room. he obviously pus up a $9 trillion proposal, i guess it was yesterday, mid-day, hitting frefrg $1 trillion in defense, $1 trillion in tax loophole elimination,s 3ds trillion and entitlements by the ways and means testing. in the room, he pretty much took a crack at it. sounds like the gang of six plan right now is a more along the lines of $3 trillion to $4 trm. is that where this is head ed? $3 trillion to $4 trillion? >> i certainly think the spread correct. i think the plan purt forward by a bipartisan group of six united states senators. three democrats, three republicans, with mr. coburn included in that three on the republican side, there's a very positive step forward. i haven't yet seen all the specifics of what they've recommended, but clearly, it mirrors the plan that was put
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forward by mr. bolwles and formr senator alan simpson asking everybody to take part getting a handle on the debt which conference us and it's essential and everybody agrees. the question is how do you do it? who gets hurt jt do you as the amendment on flort or the bill on the floor of the house of representatives today, present the wealthiest among us? protect the tax loopholes that exist throughout our code and require a two-thirds vote to repeal any of them. a protection of the best office in america while a majority vote would undermine least well off in our country. i don't think that's the direction americans want to go. >> and i think that's why i think senator coburn's plan was so interesting. he basically said, i'll go for the tax code in opposition to the grover norquist fringe republican group that you're dealing with in the house. senator coburn, i think, is a little more of a statesman in that regard. also the military. >> takes courage. >> and hits entitlements.
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my kind of conservative at the end of the day. if were you to look at the democrats, specifically if something comes out of the gang of six with the flaed either raises the qualification age and/or means tax for associate security or medicare, do you meev you can get democrats to vote for any legislation that does either of those two thing, raise the age or means tax? >> as the president said, dylan, without going into specifics if it does this, that or the other, looking specifically at what it does. i think the answer to that is, the leader, has said, leader pelosi. i've said. joe biden has said. dick durbin said. we are all for will the president have a bigger plan? a plan that will take to us where we need to be? a plan that will, i think, stabilize the financial markets, give america many credit worthiness the trust its always had and at the same time a handle on our debt and deficit.
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now, whatever the component parts of that is, i think we can get democratic votes, if it is a balanced program, and that's the key. a balanced program. the republicans have heretocore walked out on plans that were balanc balancedthey did so in the bowles simps's commission. they did so in the biden talks, and frankly they walked away when mr. boehner and president obama were talking about a balanced plan. hopefully a balanced plan will be something that both parties can support, get a majority for and set our country on a sound, fiscal path. >> congressman, i'm grateful for the opportunity and privilege to speak to you directorly particularly at this point in time. appreciate you coming on to have a conversation with me. >> thank you, dylan. >> your thoughts? >> i think it's very interesting that, again, they say, okay. we're willing to come to the table, but not offer specifics,
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and we have to -- republicans have to offer some specifics, too. when we talk about redorm -- >> senate coburn says he need to raise the age of this. those are specifics. you have to come back. and, frankly, both sides, but at least the republicans have a few plans out there right now. the democrats need to say, this is what we're willing to do. we also want you to close these loopholeses. not just the billion dollars here and there that end up to $10 billion in total if you take up a the rhetoric aside. but what else? be specific. i'm saying republicans have to do it, too. they have to know. >> that was part of the -- ironically, that was the process, which i think, i wrote this today. people spent more time running away than actually hoping solve it. we have commissions, processes to come up with the specifics and then it blows up. >> the gang of six thing is getting ready to come out. it's pretty damn specific.
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it specifies a number. b., tells you who's going get hit, who will not get hit. by the way, everybody gets hit. >> military gets hit. loopholes get hit. entitlements trchts puts forth very specific triggers and negatives by which we balance our budget. to your point, the gang of six, republicans and democrats, the question is when's the house going to stop the charade of a balanced budget? unconstitutional. say the president doesn't sign it. sends it back. bott bottom line, it's a farce. it's democrats and liberals wen those two fringe elements are talking about something that come to an agreement, it sound rhetorical and -- >> senator coburn, i feel is an honest conservative. you may not agree with what he
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has to say but he representatives a conservative ideology and debate point much it's a i enjoy bernie sanders come on to represent a progressive point of view and wish hon negligently i could sort it out. i don't think i can comment -- >> dick durbin. ahead, connecting the dots of the 21st set on employment anybodies. piles of cash offshore and on in corporate america and why those two are not combining properly to hire people. former verizon chief denny joins the panel as our joins the panel as our specialist right after this. i take one a day men's 50+ advantage. it's the only complete multivitamin with ginkgo to support memory and concentration. plus vitamin d to help maintain healthy blood pressure. [ bat cracks ] that's a hit. one a day men's.
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well, from the robots taking our jobs inevitably to our massive trade deficit, sucking money out of our country every month, to politicians who would rather focus on a fake debt ceiling debate than jobs, is it any wonder real unemployment in america is almost 20%?
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today, denny strigl former president of verizon wireless, co-author of "managers, can you hear me now? hard-hitting lessons on how to get real results." a delight to welcome you you here. >> very nice to be here. >> the primary reason? >> so up uncertainty in this environment, businesses aren't gog to hire until they know what's the situation on taxes, what are we doing with regulation? is there more regulation coming my way? even fuel prices are discouraging businesses from hiring. >> and so clarity for everybody is, you would argue, the primary barrier to immediate action? whether in the debt ceiling debate or anything else? >> what business leaders i talk to want to know, very specifically is, how do we get through this level of uncertainty? and we do that by straightening things out. like the debt ceiling.
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by balance of trade. let's talk about balance of trade for a while. >> talk about it for hours on end, makes me insane, but they won't let me. >> why are jobs going to india and overseas? the reason, it's easier to do business in those locations. >> and cheaper to do business in those location, but what's not disclosed, for instance, a place like china, their currency is 50% to our currency. and tax at 25% and we tax their import to 2.5% and run around chanting free trade and wonder why they've got all the money and all the jobs and we don't have any job. in other words, isn't it on people like you and then i'll get the panel in, people like you on people like me and on anybody with a voice or the expertise to call out the fraudulent nature of this so-called free trade when it's not actually free? >> it's not free trade. no way in the world. until we have a better balance of trade, we're going to have the very problem that you talk about. >> go ahead.
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>> we talk about uncertainty. i happen to think a lot of uncertainty for many, many year. we may not be able to wrap that up clearly. there was conversation to get money out there, people have access to loans. that seemed to free up, i guess one of the other thing i'm curious about what can government do? you mentioned it's easier to do business yoiver seas. is there anything government can do to streamline tleecht the people who want to stay here and create jobs? >> absolutely. it's very simple. get out of the way. what's happening today is people are very concerned about regulation. look at the last couple of days alone. nlrb hearings to theoretically increase unionization in the united states. nonsense. this is not what we should be focusing our attention on. >> shouldn't the government be the one stepping in saying, this is not free trade. we need to review these trade agreements? we're launching a series today looking at panama and korea, and none of free trade. all of some version of tilted
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trade, yet the government doesn't do anything about it, and the best answer i get as to why they don't, because there's american corporations who are long china or invested in china. american corporations that benefit from these panama deals and american corporations are lobbying our government to per pech waited the type of rigged trade that's costing us jobs. is that a fair characterization. >> it's mostly fair, but, dylan, while you're right in many of the points you've made here, i think the issue is that the government needs to make -- someone needs to take the courage, have the courage to make decisions. we're stymied now. >> i'm going to put it -- >> i agree. >> the regulation fees, because i believe in a certain amount of regulation. comes as surprise. >> denny does. i don't want to put words in his mouth. >> but the question i have, this is a question i posed last week. i agree with you. you reed stories like pew had a poll that showed most of rest of the world sees china as the
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emerging super pow fer they haven't already overtaken the united states. we're in decline and in trouble. >> because rigged a deal to get a few people rich in our own country. >> correct. on something like the debt ceiling deect we need to hear more from the business community to help apply the political pressure to these guys to get in the room and just make a decision rather than waiting, you know, to august 2nd. last week our specialist told us that -- >> john was here, ran shell. >> fear of retribution from the government was part of the season. i don't know that i buy that. there's more of a role -- >> saying we don't want to get involved, business leaders, because you're then teed up for legislative rett pra traa putian, regulatory retribution for getting into the fray? >> i don't think that's necessarily the case. i do this the business community needs to be much, have a much louder voice than they've had in the past. i think for the first couple of years of this administration they've been waiting to see
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what's going to happen? who are the favorites? how do we play this game. the first two years are over. now is the time to voice concerns and stand up for what you believe in. i agree. >> quickly, james. >> the office of the comptroller of 9 currency, the main regulator for all regular chartered banks. from the year we passed, got rid of the fire walls between the banking sectors in 1999 until 2008. not your core business, because you're telecomed in, but from 1999 to 2008, every single request by a large federally chartered bank to the occ positive expend powers said yes to. not one single time did the office of the comptroller, reg later of all big banks did they say no. >> what year? >> 1999 to 200. you brought up the issue of success regulation, you talked about this. excessive regulation versus non-excessive regulation.
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what about no regulation? should we be a country of no regulation? that the gang of six which proposed -- should we cut taxes and tell them that they should have no regulatory environment? what's the trade-off when you've got a dude with a wife and three kids in dubuque, iowa struggling every day to put gas in their car? >> so how do you define regulation? you need rules -- >> i agree, there are rules that are needed's to be fair to everybody. right? the fact of the matter is, no regulation? no. less regulation is what we need. >> or at least -- >> or have a simpler regulation. >> okay. let's cut through the paperwork. >> right. >> let's have simpler regulations. less, but you talk about the banking industry. look at dodd frank. how many new rules and regulations -- >> they did something interesting. dodd frank said to the banks you can system do security, still do
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banking, still do insurance and everything else. didn't change it. >> i know. >> didn't change a word. >> it's great to see you. it's awesome to have -- these are good guys. >> nice to be with you. >> susan, karen and jimmy. you'll be seeing a lot of them. >> a pleasure to see you as well. congratulations on the book and thank you for helping us navigate these conversation. really. denny strigl. with us on jobs in america. coming up here, big brother behind the wheel. this is wireless communication for you. would you settle for a little of invasion of your privacy if i can shorten your commute a bit? also get a free flight.
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all right. we are breaking it down now. washington debates the debt ceiling and taxes. the underlying issue bubbling under the radar in congress and certainly in the media is trade and jobs. for the last five years both president bush and president obama pushed a series of so-called free trade agreements with south korea, colombia and panama. as you learn of these deals each one stinks worse than the next. and in a new two-party series done in collaboration with the "huffington post "which we call "trading our future" how trade deals may be dangerous to our financial and employment health. >> there ar few things that we can and should do right now to redouble our efforts on behalf of the american people. today congress can advance trade
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agreements that will help businesses sell more american-made goods and services to asia and south america. supporting thousands of jobs here at home. >> reporter: these agreements are modeled on the 1993 north american free trade agreement or nafta. nafta was the hottest issue in the election year of '92 when presidential candidate ross pa lowe the strongest third party challenge in history, trading his past and the issue. >> pay $1 for your labor, have no health care. that's the most expensive single element making the cut. have no environmental controls, no pollution controls, and no retirement, and you don't care about anything but making money, there will be a job sucking sound going south. >> reporter: many on the left imposed nafta allowing foreign companies to sue states for passing environmental, labor laws that would cut back profits. the ralph nader-led group public
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citizen was right in the battle. >> this must be stopped. the loss of control, the loss of sovereignty, the loss of democracy, if this nafta were approved cannot be underestimated, which is why public citizen has fought for a long time for these kinds of laws is standing up with all our partners to say, this nafta must be stopped. >> reporter: by 2008, no presidential candidate would admit to supporting nafta. >> was nafta a mistake? >> nafta was a mistake to the ex-thaend it did not deliver on what we had hoped it works and that's why i call for a trade time-out. >> reporter: and then candidate obama promised to amend the agreement with stronger protections for the usa. >> there's no doubt that nafta needs to be amended. >> reporter: but nafta still remains in effect. jobs continue to flow abroad and now three similar deals are on the table. these are with south korea, a major auto and electronics producer, colombia, a leader in anti-union violence, and panama, now a global tax haven and money
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laundering center. and joining us now, lori wall, director of public citizen's global trade watch along with leo hindry, chairman of the u.s. economy smart globalization initiative at the new american foundation former chief executive at at&t broadband. a pleasure to welcome you both. leo, what would this president be possibly thinking to entertain three more rig trade deals with three questionable countries at this point, south korea, because of the way they use north korea labor and fund the north korea government? >> i looked back to iowa and i was in iowa for the 2008 campaign and remember vividly this president then a candidate saying that over his dead body on south korea, on panama and on colombia and i took him at his word. now we're seeing these agreements come to us with his encouragement and it breaks my heard. we will lose tens and tens, hundreds thoufs of nafta job. further eviscerate or manufacturing sector which we
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need to in fact invigorate and the broken word on these agreements can only be explained by politics. there seems to be a trend with this white house to run to report something called the center when there is no center on trade. you either believe these agreements are supposed to be for the good of the american worker and the good of the american economy or you believe otherwise. >> and otherwise being it's more profitable for certain american businesses to get rig trade agreements where they can benefit from the sucking sound talking about? >> we sold our soul on these agreements in 1985 when we passed the first of them with israel in 1985. there have been 11 since then in total. three more pending and not a one will keep their promises. we will have lost, as lori will talk about better than i can in a few minutes we will have lost millions of jobs to the aggregate not a single promise kept. not one. a sleeg colleague and i went band and looked at every one of the promises. every one has broken the
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agreement as mr. clinton said in ta debate back in iowa. >> and lori, is think any evidence that the trade-off to get cheaper tchotchkes for people like you and me is in some way a net benefit for all the lost jobs and everything else? >> you can actually now do the numbers, and theoretically trade helps us on the import side by providing less expensive goods, but the loss we suffer because these kinds of trade agreements offshore, huge numbers, of different kinds of jobs now nets out negative. even when you save on some, that is to say, on some goods, the loss in u.s. income means on average the median $7,000 per person a year. >> i want to talk about two of these agreements that i learned these in the podcast i did with you, lori, that stunned me. this first on panama. this is from the wikileaks drop, a state department secret memo
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to panama in 2006. this is from our state department to panama in 2006. it guess as follows -- it says, this american government, the pan manic incorporation regime ensures secrecy, avoids taxes and shields eight from the enforcement of legal judgments. oh, isn't that fun ji can't believe it. along with its sophisticated banking services panama remains an environment conducive to launder the proceeds from criminal activity and creates a vulnerability to terrorist financing. why would we want to do a free trade agreement with these people? >> because the big u.s. banks want us to do it. why do we want this agreement with south korea? because the big u.s. multi-national corporations want us to have it and why do we want to do this tawdry agreement with colombia when it slaves every day a labor leaders in its country? we want it bu agricultural interests in the united states wanted to have it. >> those interests, whether the
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banks, the corporate -- leaders, or the agricultural entities all basically offer the promise of giving money to contribute to the billion dollars barack obama needs to run for president next year? is that how you explain why the president has broken his word on trade? >> there has to be a reason. it has to be in the money trail. nothing about these three agreements as lori and i can proved changed from his promise never to enact them. suddenly they're attracted to this administration and trying to be pushed through congress. there has to be a money trail. >> dylan, here's the thing. this does not happen unless congress approves them. it's up to us. obama may have flip-flopped and started pushing job killing nafta style agreements, nothing happens to us until congress agrees. that's our jobs to make sure we don't. >> you're great at telling us what to do. we do what to tell congress, what happens?
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>> everyone needs to call their member of the house of representatives. it's incredibly easy. you don't have to know for sure who it is. just call the capitol switchboard, key number for all them to know 202-225-3121. call the utility number. 202-225-3121. if you feel nervous about the details go to our website, tradewatch.org. find out about the job losses from korea for every congressional district. you can find out about the import safety problem. even find out how agreements would undermine the bank re-regulati re-regulation. everything you sneed there and make that call and tell your member of congress their job is going to be the next one that's going to be lost if they don't vote for you on these trade agreements and stop these offshore agreements. >> thank you so much, lori. thank you so much, leo. see both of you sooner than later, i'm sure. part two of our series tomorrow. if want to learn more about trade deals like the panama free trade agreement check out our new blog up now on the front
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a channel caught it all. a linebacker for the cincinnati bengals and author of a new book "the sportsman". it's our delight to welcome you to the program. how are you today? >> fantastic. >> you represent a value system. >> i do. i represent those that are willing to do what they're passionate about. life is all about passion, and unfortunately some people don't live by that method, and i choose to live by that. i choose to tral travel. i choose to experience the cultures around the world and transport that back. >> people are afraid. >> afraid to get out of their comfort zone. afraid to leave their black, their -- it's about branching out and seeing what the world has to offer and understanding that people are people. i mean, i've traveled to over 70 different countries, and i've never -- i've been in some precarious situations, but because i have sort of cleaned the canvas, if you will, thought gone into it with any stereotype
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or propaganda but with an open heart and understanding of people, that's the most important thing. >> we're in a society and a world right now that is, it lives for the duality. it's their fault, their fault, their fault. it's us versus them. right versus left, but you represent a unified world view? >> you have to unify and be able to communicate. what happens, you get lost with technology. things get lost behind the screen. once you sit down have a conversation, break bread. travel around the globe and understand that you might actually share something in common with someone someone you never met before but ultimately come away with a best friend. >> at the end of the day, how important do you think the value system you represent is, not only for your generation but for the future of this planet? >> it's transformative. i think as you look around, as people start to travel and i'd like to encourage feel go out and grab passports and go meet the person that they've never met before, ultimately, it will
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bring people together, and there won't be this duality, but a unity of people that it's about passion, about life, everybody is just one. >> it is just us. >> ultimately. if it wasn't for you and i being ago to embrace the lines of communication, who would want to start that dialogue? >> and also i loved the title of your book and think it represent what's is the best about being in north america and having the ability to sort of be outside in our own country, which is the life of a sportsman across so many expressions. you were saying cricket was your favorite sport. quickly, why is that? >> a lot of people love baseball. and a lot of people don't like cricket, but how can you love baseball without cricket? baseball came from cricket. as you travel around the world, whether thailand, switzerland, singapore, spain, no matter where you are, a lo of those countries, which have been around much longer that the united states, started those sports. that's where baseball came from. >> dhani jones, nice to have you